There
is little in Sir Richard Eyre’s person or habitat to suggest a
troubled soul beset by fundamental uncertainties. Indeed, if he
hadn’t chosen to expose his inner conflict in a memoir which has
been described as a minor classic — Utopia and Other Places
— it is doubtful whether anyone would still be asking him the
questions he attempted to answer for himself so eloquently nine
years ago.
As he wrote then, “our parents cast long shadows over our
lives”, and he has clearly yet to emerge from their depths.
Time and again in our interview he returns to the vivid spectre
of his father on subjects as seemingly unrelated as his knighthood
in 1997 and his celebrated production of King Lear at the
Cottesloe, featuring a naked Ian Holm, which prompted Eyre’s
sister to ask him: “Why have you put Dad on stage?” We had
spoken on several occasions during his ten-year tenure as artistic
director of the National Theatre, when I had sought his opinion on
theatrical notables other than himself. Despite the pressures of
the job, he had always made himself available and was unstintingly
courteous and generous in his response.
These qualities are immediately in evidence when we meet at the
West London home that Eyre shares with his wife of 28 years, Sue
Birtwistle, a television producer of such successful adaptations
as Pride and Prejudice and Wives and Daughters.
Their own grown-up daughter, Lucy, was educated at St Paul’s
Girls’ School round the corner.
He is one of those older people, now at the fag end of his
fifties, who still manages to look cool in the blue jeans he first
wore as a minor form of rebellion against his father when the
teenaged Eyre was in love with all things American. “Oh, I see,
they’re so the girls can tell what you’re thinking,” was his
father’s decisively louche put-down; a memory which still makes
his son wince.
“Of course, I was embarrassed — I felt ‘Kevin-ed’,”
Eyre says, referring to Harry Enfield’s archetypal awkward male
teenager.
Before we start talking about Iris, Eyre’s first big
film, based on John Bayley’s two books about his late wife, the
writer Iris Murdoch, we descend to the kitchen where the director
organises coffee. He tells me that the electric blue sweep of
colour against a bank of bright yellow cupboards was his sort of
nod to Matisse.
In the past couple of years he has discovered the quiet
pleasure of painting. “I am used to looking at people in a
critical way, critical in the sense of examining or observing, but
not landscape and objects and trees. And I find it serene and
wonderful just to look at the world,” he says.
There are lovely little paintings all over the house, mostly by
friends of the couple; studies or portraits in muted colours. In
the upstairs corridor there is a tremendous black and white
photograph of his maternal grandfather, a tiny matchstick figure
at the base of an enormous iceberg. Charles Royds was a Polar
explorer who went on Scott’s first expedition to Antarctica. His
grandson and great granddaughter are planning their own
21st-century trip to the South Pole — which they will record not
in a hardy leather-bound journal but as a video diary.
When I ask him whether there were many family photographs from
his childhood (he says not, in stark contrast to the hundreds of
snaps that he has accumulated as a parent), he takes me over to
look at a painting of his mother, Minna, as a young woman. It is a
period piece of a very English beauty: a ball dress with a fine
line of ermine around the cleavage, a crimson velvet wrap, a bob
of shining hair and such an open, untroubled gaze. There is
something about the innocent hopefulness of her face that produces
the same emotional contraction as seeing the young Iris Murdoch,
played by Kate Winslet, careering downhill on a bicycle, dancing
and delighting everyone around her with the supple swiftness of
her mind, when one is so mindful of all the loss that lies ahead.
Eyre’s mother sailed into darkness, Murdoch’s haunting
evocation of her own descent into Alzheimer’s, when she was the
age that her son is now — and struggled on in an increasingly
vegetative state for another 20 years. One of the most moving
scenes in the film comes at the end when Bayley (Jim Broadbent),
finally admitting defeat, takes his wife to the nursing home where
she will die. Their calloused hands, nails bitten down to the
quick, are intertwined, and Judi Dench as the old Iris looks at
the camera with eyes so blank that you feel her soul has already
departed.
Eyre says that he was unable to detect the shifting moods of a
sensate human being in his mother. His monthly visits to Dorset
were too infrequent to detect any changes in her, but the nurses
who looked after her every day saw someone different.
“One of the characteristics of Alzheimer’s, which is a
consolation for people who are long-time carers, is that the soul
does remain,” he says. “There is something there that is the
human spirit which goes on until their death.”
Perhaps in some way the making of this film helped to provide
the consolation that Eyre was unable to find during his mother’s
life. It may be a source of regret that he managed to come to
terms with both his parents only after they had died, but a
posthumous accommodation is surely better than none at all. As the
screenwriter of Iris, he has appropriated scenes from his
own mother’s diminishing ability to make sense of the most
commonplace activity. There is a moment, for instance, when
Murdoch (Dench) confronts an open door and is unable to understand
how she should negotiate her way to the other side. “Which way
do I go?” she asks her husband, as Eyre’s mother once asked
his father. “In the early stages my mother used to pick up a
knife and fork and just gaze at them, absolutely bewildered by
their function,” he recalls.
What makes Iris such an extraordinary film is that it is
uplifting and beautiful, despite the painful subject, because it
is essentially about what it means to love someone enduringly,
come what may. Since so many of the key people involved in the
production must have been forcibly reacquainted with their own
loss, one wonders what the mood must have been like on set.
Judi Dench’s husband, Michael Williams, had died only six
weeks before the shoot. “She is a very, very old friend. And
Michael was a friend. And so I was working with someone I felt
very protective of. Because it is very, very painful to see
somebody you love . . . suffering,” he says. “So I wanted, you
know, to make her feel better.
“And although she was frightened that somehow every scene
would be weighed down and filtered through her thoughts of
Michael, she actually found it was quite the opposite — that the
act of concentration, of having to commit your mind to inventing
another person, took her out of herself completely. At the end,
she said to me that those five weeks were her saving grace.”
The making of the film was an exhilarating process, but when it
came to the cutting room both Eyre and the editor kept breaking
down: “Yeah, sometimes it was so overwhelming that we would both
sit and blub,” he says, slightly sheepishly. “And, of course,
that sort of emotion is a professional hindrance.”
There was one scene that he was guarding himself against
particularly, when Bayley rounds on his sick wife in bed and tells
her that he hates her. Her childlike response, which is almost
unbearably touching, is to stroke him and murmur “Ouch”.
“When the emotional temperature of a scene is near
boiling,” Eyre says, “you have to keep a cold eye and a still
heart, otherwise everything gets clouded and distorted.”
As the director points out, he is by no means the only
practitioner of the arts who has had to struggle to master his
feelings. When Sir George Solti was conducting Eyre’s La
traviata at the Royal Opera House in the mid-Nineties, Solti
was so overcome in rehearsal by Violetta’s death that he started
to sob uncontrollably. “It came to the end, there was silence
and he was pouring tears and said, ‘I simply don’t know how
I’m going to be able to conduct this’,” Eyre recalls. “But
that was the last time that he was violently moved by it because
he was a professional and all that emotion was simply channelled
through his expertise.”
For Eyre, writing, he says, is definitely a form of therapy. Of
course, one person’s reconciliation with his past, when it is
published for public consumption, can lay bare and rob another
person’s life. “We are what we remember,” Eyre wrote in his
memoir, but there is no copyright on the ownership of memories. It
is a conundrum that provokes Eyre to sigh:
“Oh Christ, who was it who said, ‘if you want to become a
writer, be prepared to lose a family’?” When his friend Liz
Calder asked him to write a book about the theatre for Bloomsbury,
he couldn’t bear the idea of the sort of memoir which starts:
“As the curtain rose . . .” “But my parents both having
died, I was obsessed by coming to terms with my relationship with
them. For me, there was a huge amount of unfinished business.”
Achieving closure, as the therapists say, may have been a
cathartic process for the writer, but for his sister, Georgina
Livingstone, it was clearly a rather less beneficial exercise.
In the first half of the book we learn about the violent rows
between Richard’s parents, their brazenly adulterous
relationships, the casual cruelty of a boorish father who thought
that Shakespeare was “balls” and who set out to seduce his
son’s girlfriends, actually succeeding in one case.
But, of course, they were Georgina’s parents too. “I feel
great sorrow that I upset my sister to the degree that I did
because I am very, very fond of her and close to her,” he says.
“And I felt very bad.”
Were you prepared to change anything or dilute certain
passages? “I thought very hard about whether what I had written
was truthful, and truthful from my point of view, and I thought
‘Yes, it is’. . . so my conscience was clear on that count. We
have recovered now, but for her the upsetting thing will always be
that that book is the public record of her life. She lived through
it as much as I did and in some respects had a much more difficult
time. So it’s unfair that I have the opportunity to broadcast my
account.”
When we have our own mini-therapy session, Eyre tells me that
he looks back on himself as a small boy and thinks “Oh,
there’s a lonely, slightly reserved child who had an active
secret world, reading all the time, and with a secret friend or
secret alter ego who was very extrovert and positive”.
How your father would have liked you to have been? “I guess
so.” Did he think you were a bit of a pansy? “Yes, he did.”
Eyre realised that his father had given up on him when, as a
boy, he confessed that he didn’t much care for riding —
sacrilege in his equestrian family — and was met with the
rebuke: “That’s because you’re no bloody good at it.”
The truth was that Eyre was frightened of riding, something he
overcame in his thirties when his father was in his sixties, and
which he now loves. So what was your father’s reaction when you
came into the fold? “I don’t think I told him, actually.”
Really? “I suppose I knew that he wouldn’t say, ‘Oh, why
don’t you ride my horse?’ or ‘Come riding with me’. I knew
he wouldn’t, so I just did my own thing.”
He almost dismisses his father’s seduction of his son’s
20-year-old girlfriend, saying: “I mustn’t exaggerate this. I
was very upset, but it wasn’t an absolutely life-defining
‘Rosebud’ moment . . . although it was, you know, a bit
depressing. What I think now is that I should have been stronger
but also more communicative; more prepared to accept him on his
own terms. And at a greater distance, it is possible for me to see
his virtues as clearly as his vices.”
I wonder what effect his father’s attitude towards women had
on Eyre. He says that for some time he measured himself against
the only male role model he knew. In his book he refers to “a
sort of competitive promiscuity”. But his long marriage, in an
age when divorce is so commonplace, suggests that he was able to
break free from the mould.
“You surely do try to learn from other people’s mistakes,
however difficult it is,” he says. “Knowing yourself, even if
you are not entirely able to act on the conclusions of your
knowledge — that is the process of life.”
I ask him whether he ever tried to intervene in his parents’
violent rows — his father once told him, as they were visiting
Eyre’s mother in the nursing home, that their marriage had been
in trouble, “oh, for the past 30 years” — and Eyre says:
“No, I didn’t, but then . . . and again, this is rather sad, I
grew up in Dorset, in just about the most beautiful part of
England, and of course I was desperate to get out from the age of
18, and when I went to university, I went back as rarely as I
could.”
Because your home was so associated with unhappiness? “I
didn’t want to have to deal with it, and it certainly spoilt
that part of England for me.” For a whole landscape to be
tainted by the misery of your upbringing seems to be a pretty
devastating admission of family failure, but when I later make a
reference to Eyre’s appalling home environment, he recoils as
though stung. “I think it is wrong to say appalling. I really
do. I mean, that may be your judgment but I would not say it was
an appalling childhood.” When I read back the things he has
written and said about it, he counters: “Well, that may be but
that’s your judgment . . . I mean, everybody goes back to their
childhood and . . .” Not necessarily. “Don’t they?” He
laughs slightly awkwardly.
I say it is interesting that when I spell out what he is surely
saying himself, he reacts so strongly against it. “I know, I
know, I can see . . . I do feel protective. You know how you want
to be the only person who can say that your parents are terrible.
We all do that at certain times and in the end it’s upsetting
for me . . .”
To hear someone else say what you are saying? “It is. It is.
And it immediately inspires in me the desire to defend them.”
And your sister had the same reaction to you that you are
having to me when she read the manuscript of your book? “She
did. Yes, she did.”
We were both slightly surprised, I think, by the temperature of
this exchange. Eyre has a reputation for being mild-mannered, and
he says himself that he is hopeless at being angry.
He feels he is a warm person, but that some people might say he
is detached. People close to you? “Yes, but not consistently.
And I would say that was my defence. You devise a carapace and
think, ‘I’m not going to be hurt’.”
Do you believe in the sins of the father being revisited on the
son? “Yes, there is no question that I do.”
So, given that cycle — “Was I as bad a father to you as my
father was to me?” Eyre’s father asked his son as he lay dying
— do you think that it would have caused complications for you
if your wife had given birth to a boy? “I think that
subconsciously I would have tried very hard, probably excessively,
to subvert the line of descent,” he says.
As it was, Eyre’s wife had a daughter who clearly gives him
abundant joy. “Lucy has the happiness gene and, as I said to my
father, ‘it is a gift, like dancing’. She is happy, I think,
and I find it inexpressibly moving that she is. My condition tends
to be — ughhh — faintly Eeyore-ish,” Eyre says. “But
actually I have a pretty good life and I have a lot of fun, and I
love being with a group of people. And if I have a gift, it is
that I can be with a group of people and act as a sort of catalyst
for fun.”
He also spends a lot of time alone in his study, those long
shadows circling around him, brooding on existential questions.
Sometimes he imagines his neighbour being dragged away by the
police. What would he do? Would he intervene? Would he be brave?
He often wonders how he would have behaved in Hitler’s
Germany, since the war cast its own sombre shadows over the lives
of his parents: “Their emotional clock was set by the war,”
Eyre says. “It was endlessly being invoked in my childhood,
particularly because my father was in the Navy.”
He says that he is obsessed, as a consequence, by the notion of
the test of one’s moral character. He fears that his first
response would be caution, and then he would force himself to act
“because of the fear of being branded a coward, and I would do
anything to avoid that”.
I had thought that Eyre was the sort of socialist who would
turn down a knighthood — and so, it turns out, did his wife. But
she must have had her doubts since, as he says: “Sue had always
said she would leave me if I ever took a knighthood, but then it
came along and I did, and she didn’t.”
So what made you accept it? “Vanity,” he admits, rather
winningly.
At least the actor Sir Ian Mc Kellen’s defence was that it
was important for gays to get that kind of recognition. “Yes,
but he would also say that he had always felt that he was in some
sort of race to make his mark, and now he could relax and just get
on with his life.”
Did you feel that, too? “Yes, and I think that if you say,
‘Did my father think I was a . . .’” Although I had not
introduced the subject of his father. “Well, ‘did he think
that my work didn’t amount to much?’ . . . I mean, he never
came to see any of my shows . . . ” (Later Eyre calls me to say
that, in fact, his father did see two of the 120-odd plays his son
had directed — High Society and The Taming of the
Shrew.) “Anyway, I could see that taking a knighthood was
partly a case of, ‘Oh, I’m a proper person now’. Of course,
it’s an awful paradox, thinking what I think about class and
about the way in which the honours system perpetuates it, but
there it is.”
King Lear came up in the last moments of our interview.
At first, he says, he was astonished by his sister’s comment
about their father: “ ‘Ian (Holm) has never met him,’ I
said. ‘And I have never mentioned him.’ And she said, ‘Well,
he is playing it very like Dad’.
“And, you know, she was right . . . the irascibility, the
extremes, the sense in which our father would test the love of his
children in that way, that refusal to concede. One of the reasons
I was fascinated by the play is that it takes the family as a
microcosm of the state, and of course all parents have the
potential for tyranny.”
Recalling Eyre’s sense of wonderment that his happy daughter
actively seeks out the company of her parents, and how much she
seems to enjoy being around them, I thought: Your Mum and Dad?
Well, you know, they don’t always f*** you up.